Forbidden Flame and Forbidden Flesh Jewels
Find the cheapest Forbidden Flame and Flesh pairs for any ascendancy. This tool shows every available notable with individual Flesh and Flame prices, combined totals, and direct trade links.
How It Works
- Select a base class (Marauder, Witch, Ranger, etc.) to see all ascendancy notables available through Forbidden jewels for that class.
- Each row shows a notable, which ascendancy it belongs to, the individual Flesh and Flame prices, and the combined total cost.
- Prices are pulled from poe.ninja trade data — the Flesh price is for Forbidden Flesh with that notable, and Flame is for Forbidden Flame with the same notable.
- Click the trade link to open a search for the specific jewel on pathofexile.com. You need to buy one of each.
- The ascendancy tree visualization shows the notable positions within each ascendancy. Hover over nodes to see their stats and prices.
Example: Getting Master Toxicist on a Raider
You're playing Raider and want Pathfinder's Master Toxicist for the flask sustain. Select Ranger in the class dropdown — all three Ranger ascendancy notables appear.
Find Master Toxicist in the list. Forbidden Flesh shows 12c, Forbidden Flame shows 340c — 352c total for the pair. That Flame price stings, but it's the cheapest path to flask immunity without rerolling Pathfinder.
Click the trade link next to each jewel to open pre-filtered searches on pathofexile.com. Buy one Flesh and one Flame with matching notable names — mismatched names grant nothing. Socket both into your passive tree and the notable activates.
Tips
- The cheapest notables are usually ones that are already accessible to the ascendancy you are playing — there is no reason to buy Forbidden jewels for a notable you can just allocate normally.
- The most expensive notables are typically keystones from other ascendancies that enable entirely different build archetypes — like a Necromancer getting a Juggernaut defensive keystone.
- Prices between Flesh and Flame for the same notable can differ wildly. One might be 5c while the other is 500c. The total cost is what matters since you need both.
- Early in a league, many notables have zero listings. Prices stabilize after the first 1-2 weeks as players farm the Uber bosses that drop these jewels.
- Sort by total price to find the cheapest way to get a cross-ascendancy notable. Sort by name if you already know which notable you want.
Common Mistakes
- Buying two jewels with different notable names. The effect requires an exact name match. Flesh "Avatar of the Slaughter" + Flame "Avatar of the Hunt" grants nothing.
- Assuming any notable from any ascendancy is accessible. Forbidden jewels only grant notables from ascendancies that share your base class — Scion is the exception since it can take Ascendancy passives from any class through its own mechanic.
- Paying the listed price before checking listings. A notable can show 2c total because exactly one listing exists — by the time you open the trade site the jewel is gone and the "next" price is 50c. Always check the live trade page before assuming the tool price is purchasable.
- Socketing the jewels far from relevant nodes. Forbidden jewels grant the notable in your tree — the jewel radius does not matter for the grant itself, but you typically want the jewel in a spot where the granted notable makes sense with nearby allocated nodes.
Frequently Asked Questions
- Do I need both Forbidden Flame AND Forbidden Flesh?
- Yes — one jewel alone does nothing.
- Can I get notables from any ascendancy?
- Only from ascendancies that share your base class. A Witch (Necromancer) can get Elementalist or Occultist notables, but not Berserker (Marauder class) notables.
- Where do these jewels drop?
- Forbidden Flesh from The Eater of Worlds and Forbidden Flame from The Searing Exarch, with expanded pools from their Uber versions.
- Why does a notable show 0c?
- There are no current listings on the trade site for that notable on that jewel type. This is common for unpopular notables or early in a league.
- Does the granted notable count toward my allocated passive count?
- No. Forbidden jewels grant the notable passive for free — they do not consume a passive point and they do not count toward your allocated nodes. You can stack as many Forbidden jewel pairs as you have jewel sockets for.
- Can the same notable be granted twice for double effect?
- No. Allocating the same notable from two Forbidden jewel pairs grants the notable once — passive effects are not stacked by duplicate allocation. Pick different notables for different pairs.
- Do keystones work through Forbidden jewels?
- Yes. Ascendancy keystones granted through Forbidden jewels behave identically to taking them directly. The full keystone text applies, including any downsides — read carefully before committing.
- Is there a difference between normal and Uber boss drops?
- Uber versions drop jewels with expanded notable pools, including the most powerful options that don't appear in regular drops.